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Questions and Answers for students and parents concerning 
Miscellaneous Questions
taken from 
The Maine College Advisor*

New Questions added on 03/11/2007

 

 

 

Miscellaneous Questions

 


Q. Our son seems unmotivated to look at colleges. He does not know what he wants to do for a career and doesn't know why he should go to college. How can we help him?

A. I have been asked similar questions in the past and have always replied back to the parents with parent answers. This time I will try replying directly to the sons and hope that my reply reaches a few slightly open ears or eyes or minds.

Gentlemen, you've got it right. It is very hard to know what you should do for a career. It is just as hard to know what careers are out there. Generally, men get this reasonably well figured out by the time they turn 50, but trust me, you are not the only ones who find it all very confusing. The world of work is very confusing, and significantly more confusing than it was 100 years ago. You can't go looking for one obvious answer. It doesn't exist. You've heard it before, many people have seven careers in a lifetime. There is rarely one right career. You make a career; you don't join it.

Gentlemen, I know I may lose you on this one, but there is one really good source for advice, one advisor who really cares about you like no one else in the world, one advisor who knows at least a little about you and what is ahead for you. That advisor is your father. I know you don't think he knows you. I know you are cool to taking his advice. Don't take his advice. Be independent of your father. If you are lucky enough to have a Dad at home, I strongly encourage you to very quietly, leaving no trace of evidence, listen to his experience and advice and put just a bit of it in the back of your mind. Argue with him if you want . . . he deserves it, because he did it to his Dad. As bad or as stupid as his advice may seem today, you will recognize its value sometime shortly before you turn 50 . . . and about the time you are thinking about sharing your own advice with someone younger than you who doesn't see the merit of all your wisdom and experience. Hopefully, you will recognize its value well before that point in your life.

Gentlemen, as best you can you are looking ahead to life after school and to the beginning of your career. In fact, your career has already begun; it is just that the pay probably isn't coming in as well as you might hope that it will. Sometime before age 50 you will probably recognize that success in a career is not about skill or intelligence, it is about learning. You will do that throughout your career. The better you can learn, the more successful you will be. That learning has already begun. You can use that learning to design your own career, or you can just randomly learn a lot (or a little) and let someone else decide what you will do for work – someone like your guidance counselor, or the want ads, or, perhaps worse than that, your Dad. Take steps toward your career now. Steps in most any direction are better than not taking any step at all.

Gentlemen, it is very clear to me after 28 years in education, that more boys are more bored with their education than ever before. That is a real problem for this country. More importantly, it may be a real problem for you. Your career isn't clear to you because you haven't designed it yet. I strongly encourage you to take a very active role in designing your future . . . and your education. Start from what interests you today, not what society thinks might be a good job for you to do. Making money has some advantages, but ask your Dad how important he thinks it is to make lots of money. If your job were very boring for you in your future, you would make decisions, yourself, to make it better. Do the same with your education. Change your job. Change your education. But, don't join the unemployment line. Don't drop out of education, whether in school or out.

Most adults spend a lifetime trying to design their careers. Even if your Dad looks like he has his career all squared away and it seems that it all fell together for him, it is very unlikely that he feels that way. Ask him if he thinks he has it all figured out. Unless your Dad is REALLY old, he is probably still just doing his best to figure it all out.

A college education . . . and your Dad . . . are two of the best resources you will ever have to help you design a career that will help you live a life you are proud of after college.

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Q. Does it really matter whether our child takes honors courses in ninth grade?

A. It really does matter. Actually, for a majority of students applying to college, whether or not you take an honors course doesn’t matter much, I suppose. That’s because a majority of colleges don’t expect their applicants to take honors courses. But, for all those students considering some of the more selective colleges in the country – perhaps the 200 most selective colleges out of 4000 – your choice of course level really does matter. These colleges expect their applicants to take at least some honors courses. The more selective the college, the more honors and AP courses the college will look for. So, the course levels you choose in ninth grade clearly do affect your college options.

Unfortunately, it is generally not very easy to switch from the “CP” track to the honors track during high school. It can be done, but it usually requires some extra push from the student and the parent.

It is a complicated issue and will only get worse, I predict. For many years, colleges have used course level as a first filter. If you are applying to a most selective college, your application is unlikely to go anywhere unless you have almost all honors and AP courses. As colleges, schools, and communities steer away from SATs, ranks in class, and perhaps even GPAs and “weighted grades”, even more of the weight will shift onto course selection.

It spells trouble. I remember talking to a college admissions representative from a moderately selective, well known, New England college. This college is not among the most selective in the country. I asked for a sense of their selectivity – what does it take to get in? I rarely get a good answer. I asked what a “lower-end” applicant profile would look like. Much to my disappointment and with great pride he said that they look less and less at SAT scores and grades, and more at course level. This message is bound to resonate throughout the college applicant world. It is bound to push parents to push their kids into honors courses. It is bound to push more high schools to create more honors courses and AP courses and IB courses without great regard for improving the curriculum. Grade inflation is not new. Course level inflation may be next.

This admissions representative’s message did not surprise me; it was the enthusiasm and pride with which he said it that should cause concern.

So, my answer to the eternal question, "Should I take an honors course and get a C or a CP course a get an A?" Take the honors course if you hope to be a good candidate for one of the 100 or so most selective colleges AND if it is the course from which you will learn the most. Don't forget this last part!

You can find a rough list of the most selective and highly selective colleges, those that will be looking for honors and AP courses, in the CollegeHorizons search on the web site below.

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 Q. I have heard about co-op programs in college. Are they a good idea?

A. Some students just love to learn. The teacher tells them what to study, and they learn with a smile. Other students, including more than a few high school boys, want to know how they are going to use this information, how it will benefit them, how it will show itself in the real world. The traditional education model may be, “Learn what I am teaching you, students. Trust me, you will need it some day.” The co-op education model is, “I’ll share some information with you. You go out and see if it is useful. See what other information and knowledge you need. Come back and learn it. And, then go out and try your new knowledge in the real world.”

Cooperative education integrates classroom learning with work experience. Often, you study in classes, perhaps for a semester, then you work for a semester, then study for a semester, then work. You alternate each semester. For many students, it is a great answer. It helps them see a purpose to their learning, which is always beneficial. At other colleges, it is more likely a paid internship for a semester or two during your four years in college.

Co-op programs are more common than you think. There are nearly a thousand co-op programs in the U.S. Some co-op programs are a central part of the college’s identity. Some co-op programs get limited recognition. Some co-op programs are great; some struggle. Co-op education goes in and out of favor in this country on a fairly regular schedule. I always think a good co-op program makes great sense for the right student.

To get a better understanding of how co-op programs work, I suggest you go to www.northeastern.edu. Northeastern University has long been one of the leaders in co-op education at the college level. Drexel, University of Cincinnati , and Georgia Tech are three other leaders. At Northeastern, you might major in business or criminal justice or pharmacy or biology or journalism or engineering or computer science. You would spend your first semester in classes pursuing your major, and then work for Gillette or Mass. General Hospital or John Hancock or the Boston Globe or the Boston Police Department or Walt Disney or G.E.

In Maine , Andover College , Husson College , Maine Maritime, Unity, University of Maine in Orono, University of Maine in Machias, University of Southern Maine , and Washington County Community College all have co-op programs of various shapes and sizes.

A better sense of purpose for your college education? That makes sense to me. The ability to change or redirect your career interests before you hit the world of work is very valuable. Making money while in college? It has its benefits. Better odds of job placement right out of college? You can’t argue with that. Are there any negatives? Perhaps two. Being part of a co-op program may mean you will be in college longer, perhaps five years instead of four, perhaps summers. And, if you are looking for a close-knit college community, you are less likely to find it at Northeastern. Your friends this semester will be off working somewhere next semester.

You can find more general information about co-op programs at www.co-op.edu.

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Q. Do I need to go to college if I want to be in the military?

A. No. You do not need to go to college to be in the military. You do need to graduate from high school or earn your GED, and pass the military's ASVAB test. If you do this, you will enter the military, the Army or Air Force or Navy or Marines, as an enlisted soldier.

Should you go to college to be in the military? Getting more education is always a good idea. The military thinks so, too. While you are serving in the Army, for example, the Army will help you take courses at local community colleges or online, and in most cases they will cover all your costs and help to make sure that the credits you earn can be applied to a degree at a college that you choose.

Through the Montgomery GI Bill, the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines help you pay for college costs while you are active in the military or retired.

So, you can join the military right out of high school, you continue your college education while on a military base, and the military will help you pay for some or all of your college education.

Another option to consider is the ROTC (Reserve Officers' Training Corps), which enables you to attend one of over 1200 colleges with an ROTC program. You attend college, take regular college courses plus military courses, do some military training during the summer, have a military commitment after college as an officer, and, depending upon the length of your ROTC involvement and your academic achievement, have some or all of your college costs covered by the military, plus you may receive a small living stipend. So, you have a quite traditional college experience, taking regular courses plus some military courses, with summer and post-college military commitments, and you enter the military as an officer.

If you are a very strong student in high school, probably do well in sports, and are involved in the community, you have another option. The Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, and Merchant Marines have their own colleges. We call these the Service Academies. More often we call them West Point ; Annapolis , the U.S. Air Force Academy (in Colorado Springs ), the U.S. Coast Guard Academy (in New London , CT ), and King's Point (in New York ), for the U.S. Merchant Marines. These are very selective, very demanding colleges, with college campuses and dormitories and sports teams, where you can major in English or a foreign language or engineering or much else, and at the same time, you prepare to enter the military as an officer. Tuition, room, and board is $0 – a full scholarship – plus you receive a small living stipend. You will be committed to the military after graduation, but you are likely to be on a fast track for promotion (if you do well in the military) because you graduated from one of these prestigious Service Academies.

That is a quick answer to your good question. The military can make your education beyond high school very affordable, but do remember that they are offering you this financial help in exchange for your time and service in the military. It is not just a job and an adventure, it is a serious commitment.

There is much more to learn about the military and its potential role in your education beyond high school and in your career. Just a few helpful websites are: www.goarmy.com, www.navy.com, www.airforce.com, www.marines.com, www.gocoastguard.com, www.military.com, www.finaid.org, www.myfuture.com, www.todaysmilitary.com, www.collegeboard.com, www.usma.edu, www.usafa.edu, www.usna.edu, www.cga.edu, and www.usmma.edu.

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Q. Our son feels that junior year is too early to start looking at colleges and that we are just "stressing out." We see how competitive college admissions is today and think he needs to start early. Who is right?

 A. Parents are always right! 

Your son may have a point though, he could wait until senior year in still get into college. In fact, he could wait until August after his senior year, get into college, and avoid a lot of stress. He (or you) probably won't save any money with this low-stress approach, and you are sure to miss some great college options out of the 4000 he has in North America , but he would land in college.
 

It is really too bad that this moment of such great opportunity is now measured in units of pressure, pounds per square inch. Most high school juniors I talk with grumble that their peers haven't even started to think about college. Most high school seniors I talk to, those who started during their junior year or sooner, are very glad that they started the college process when they did.

 What many students haven't understood yet is that the value of a college diploma is less than it used to be. The quality of what you learn and how you learn really matters. Going to a college with a great social scene can be good fun, albeit with a not-small price tag, but good fun and a diploma aren't likely to help you reach your career goals over 45 years after college.

 The hard part is not figuring out what the colleges are like. The hard part is figuring what the student really wants out of college. Visiting college campuses to help you understand the colleges can take a lot of time, but figuring out what you want out of college (and beyond) can take much longer.

Visiting college campuses really helps students sort through their values, their needs, their goals. Prime time for visiting colleges is junior year vacations. I gave up believing the line from high school seniors that the coach won't mind if I miss a few practices and a game. That's a trip that isn't going to happen. 

There are some great college options around the world. He should start early so that he can find his best options. And, yes, finding his best options will help him get into college.

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Q. What can we do to encourage more students in our community to attend college?

 A. First, you are right to recognize that the real opportunity to help more kids go to college is in the will and commitment of the community. State funding and federal funding will help, no doubt, but a lack of funding is not what keeps most students from a great college education.

 I think that our future matters. I can't think of a better way to improve our future than to invest in a great education for our children. The problem comes with the definition of "our." The definition seems to be getting smaller every day in this country. Today, more than twenty-five years ago, helping kids get a great education and have the opportunity of college is focused on our own children. It seems that each child within a community is competing against local peers for a few spots at seemingly selective colleges. And yet, the real opportunity for a healthy future is communities – people working together as a community to make good things happen, rather than competing against each other for access to college and a higher income in the future. With the notable exception of Bill Gates, the number of organizations, businesses, and individuals who are committed to the greater good in education is fading fast . . . and that is a problem.

 The question you are asking really matters. The answers matter even more.

 Recently, I attended a conference on access to college and wondered to a state leader whether we might be best off if we encourage our students to look at all their college options in and out of state. They might choose to leave the state. They might gather knowledge that we don't have in this state. They might come back to the state with a more global perspective for what we are all saying is a more global economy. My question came after a lengthy discussion about the need to build in-state enrollments. The response from the state leader was that we need a balance. So, we balance the future of our children and their opportunity for a college education with . . . ? In the ongoing political battle between the present and the future, we need to make sure that the future is the clear winner. Maine has some great colleges and universities, and/but we should not limit our students' options

 So, what can communities do?

 First, care. We need to really care about the future of our own children and others' children and our whole community, however we define it. Without that sincere care and commitment, not much will change. Some will get the break, others won't, and communities will flounder.

 Second, counselors. Whether you like it or not, the really key people in this equation are guidance counselors. They are the front line. Trying to develop big programs with advice from one or two school counselors will have limited success. School counselors have a difficult job. They are badly outnumbered. They could do better. They need to do better. We need to help them help our community's kids and future. It is our job, not just theirs. We need to listen to them and we need to help them. Counselors need more information about careers and the higher education experience. Adults in communities can do that.

 Third, information. Actually, every community already has all the information it needs. But, this information rarely comes to the surface. If every student who went to college, and every parent who worked their way through financial aid and the FAFSA, shared just a little information with their community, it would make a huge difference. A local perspective of a college from a former (and hopefully future) community member now at college would be more valuable than any web site or view book or campus tour or college fair. A network of information -- community members helping each other – would cost almost nothing. In the process, we would hope that sharing this information would excite more students about the value of a really great college education and would convince more families that it really is possible. Perhaps even more importantly, it would help local students make better decisions about where and how they invest their time and money in the opportunity of higher education. The quality of the experience really matters.

   

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Q. Do you think it is a good idea to take a year off between high school and college?

 A. No. Trying to get back on the academic track can be difficult for many students. Trying to get back on the college admissions track is always more difficult after a year off, unless you accept a college’s offer during your senior year in high school, “defer” your admission, and then go another route for the next twelve months.

 Often times, a student will finish high school, want a break from the educational process, get a job, get used to the income, and have a hard time going back to the lifestyle of classroom learning, less independence, and probably no income.

 On the other hand … if you pursue a different educational experience between high school and college, that can be a great choice. Taking a year off from learning is never a good idea. Going a different route and gaining a new interest and new knowledge in a particular area that you might study in college is likely to significantly increase the return on your investment in your college education – you will get more for your money. As a country, we should spend less time worrying about how much college costs and more time worrying about maximizing our return on investment. If you enter college with enthusiasm and with a mission, your college education will produce great returns – far greater than any other investment you will find on Wall Street or Main Street .

 A great educational program that doesn’t feel like a classroom, but does develop your enthusiasm and mission is of great value. There are many great options. The best ones are probably those you create yourself, but many are all set up for you. An Internet search for “interim year” will direct you to many great options. GlobalQuest, ITHAKA, NOLS, Outward Bound, Dynamy, Sea Semester, and Audubon are all good options, but not always cheap. The Experiment in International Living was one of the originals in this business. The School for Field Studies is a great option for those interested in the environment. There are many great options all over the world, but you can create an equally valuable experience in your own hometown.

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Q. Is there a way to find out why I wasn't accepted at a college?

A.  Sometimes your guidance counselor can have a productive conversation with the college admissions office. It may give you a sense of your weaknesses as an applicant, but not always. Although I always encourage students to take this college admissions process into their own hands, it is unlikely that you will get much helpful information from a direct call to the admissions office. It is also a very difficult and awkward conversation. College admissions is an art, at best, but not a science. If your SAT scores were 400 points below the college's average, they may tell you that didn't look good, but they are rarely interested in opening up their decisions to public debate. You may be able to reapply, but you won't be able to argue against their decision.

This is the time of year when many students who have applied Early Decision are getting letters, big and small, in the mail from colleges. That letter can be a great Christmas present, or it can be otherwise. It is almost always a tough blow to get a "No" from the one college you were really hoping to attend. Understand that the vast majority of students applying to selective colleges are fully qualified applicants. That probably includes you. It wasn't that they didn't think you would do well at their college. It wasn't that they didn't like you. You just didn't get picked.

Maybe the application above yours in the stack was much like yours with many of the same qualities as you could offer, but they hadn't accepted a student from the other town in many years and wanted to this year. Maybe they already had a violinist or a right wing and didn't need another. Maybe that other student made a personal connection with one admissions representative. Maybe they had already accepted a student from your town and were less interested in accepting two. All those are unusual circumstances, but they do make the point that, despite all your efforts, there is a lot about the college admissions process that you just can't control . . . or predict. At these selective schools, you throw your hat into the ring and hope that it gets chosen. If it does not get chosen, know that the college may have made a poor decision, move forward, and be assured that some other college, among the 4000, will have the wisdom to invite you to be part of their academic community.

At most Ivy League colleges, over one third of valedictorian applicants are rejected. Do you really think they weren't qualified to succeed at the college? They just weren't wearing the right hat!

We have some great colleges in this country and in this world. Many have wise admissions offices. One admissions office made a mistake and didn't choose you. Like it or not, your life will be full of these experiences. Present yourself to the college world with pride and stay determined to make the most of the opportunities that are presented you.

 

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Q. I can't figure out which colleges I really like. Is it really bad if I end up transferring after a year or two?

A.  No, it is not really bad. Starting at a college and dropping out after several months may be really hard on you and your parent's wallet, but transferring after a year or two is not "really bad." It may even be "really good."

Setting aside a lot of time to explore your college options and finding one that will be a great experience for you is a great idea, but no one said that four years at the same college has to be best for you. Most of the students I have worked with who transfer from one college to another have outgrown of their first college. That means growth, and that is good!

Choosing a great college experience is not an easy process. Let me use a football analogy, and if you don't like football, you can easily switch it to soccer or field hockey or ice hockey or basketball. A quarterback can throw you a short pass to where you stand at the line of scrimmage. That is an easy pass, but you will have a lot of work to do to gain yardage. Or, the quarterback might throw you a longer pass that will be harder to complete, but not too hard. Still you will have work, though less work, to gain good yardage. A long pass, going for it all, will be harder to complete, but if you catch it, your chances of gaining a lot of yardage are very good!

The toughest variable to come to understand in the college search process is not the colleges; it is you. You could go out for a short pass and choose a college that matches all your current interests and styles and what you know, but moving forward from there may be more challenging. Assuming you will grow and change (hopefully!), you may find that the college doesn't allow you to grow and move forward as much as you would like.

If you go out for a very long pass and choose a college that will be challenging for you at first and is a better match for who you hope to be in the future, you may have a very rewarding and challenging college experience. And, you can make a good case for a fifteen-yard pass to a college you will grow to get to and then move beyond. What kinds of passes you catch best matters a lot. And, you will often have to make adjustments along the way in your path to get open. Not making those adjustments is a losing strategy. Knowing your abilities as a receiver and runner, short-distance and long-distance, is important and challenging.

Upon further review, I hope my analogy is not challenged! In any case, if you have spent the time and done your best to select a college that seems likely to help you make the most yards in your life, don't worry about the possibility that you will need to make adjustments in college to gain more yardage.

 

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Q.  How can we find a college that will help our daughter with a learning disability?

A. These days, too many parents are looking for a diagnosis, a label, and a cure. Parents are usually trying to find an explanation for why their child isn't doing as well as they would like their child to do in school. True, a label often entitles students to more support and services at lower cost, but these labels and services are usually more welcomed by parents than by students. Most students don't like to be labeled insufficient.

Learning is a two-way process. A learning disability is the inability of a student to learn as many others do, and the inability of a teacher or school system or family or book to teach that student well. A room full of learning disabled students is a room where we have yet to figure out how they learn well. Most of those students, particularly boys, labeled ADHD have a brain that works too fast and academic environments that teach too slowly.

Landmark College , VT ; Curry College , MA ; and Muskingum College , OH are three colleges that have long been at the front of promoting services for learning disabled students. Sometimes these schools work very well for a student; sometimes they do not. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference between a college with identified LD services and a college that is small and supportive and just does a great job as an educational institution.

The world underestimates the effect of interest – all students can accomplish a lot when they are learning something that really interests them. They will learn and accomplish even more when the knowledge is shared with them in a style that works well for them.

Before you race down the list of colleges well known for providing extra services for students with differing learning styles, make sure you think about the academic environment of the school, the social environment, the life outside of school, and prospective majors that might really spark a student who is likely to have found education less than igniting so far. Get the social environment of the college wrong and no level of extra services will enable the student to have a great college experience and want to learn more after college.

The good news is that many colleges do a really great job. They ignite students who have been smoldering at best. Aim for and expect nothing less from your college.

A few colleges that Maine students (and I) often like and that are well known for providing extra services for students who need extra learning support include: Prescott College, AZ; University of Arizona, AZ; University of California at Berkeley, CA; University of California at Santa Cruz, CA; University of Redlands, CA; University of the Pacific, CA; Colorado State University, CO; Fort Lewis College, CO; University of Colorado, CO; University of Denver, CO; Mitchell College, CT; Sacred Heart University, CT; University of Connecticut, CT; American University, DC; George Washington University, DC; Lynn University, FL; Saint Leo University, FL; American International College, MA; Boston College, MA; Boston University, MA; Clark University, MA; Curry College, MA; Mount Ida College, MA; Western New England College, MA; Wheaton College, MA; McDaniel College, MD; Washington College, MD; Husson College, ME; Unity College, ME; University of New England, ME; Elon University, NC; Guilford College, NC; Colby-Sawyer College, NH; Franklin Pierce College, NH; Keene State College, NH; New England College, NH; Southern New Hampshire University, NH; Adelphi University, NY; Alfred University, NY; Bard College, NY; New York University, NY; Rochester Institute of Technology, NY; Syracuse University, NY; Ohio Wesleyan University, OH; Gettysburg College, PA; Muhlenberg College, PA; Brown University, RI; Vanderbilt University, TN; University of Virginia, VA; Castleton State College, VT; University of Vermont, VT; Pacific Lutheran University, WA; Bethany College, WV; and West Virginia Wesleyan College, WV.

In thirty years in education, I have yet to see a student surrounded by learning disabilities who couldn't get a great college education. It may just take a bit more very careful research and a good understanding of what the student needs and wants and what the college can and does offer. Today, most colleges are tuned in to providing extra support and accommodations for students who need them.

You may find helpful information and advice at www.ldonline.org and www.ncld.org.

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    The Maine College Advisor Weekly is offered by Maine College Circle , a nonprofit initiative committed to providing better and equal access to information about higher education for all Maine families and to promoting community support for the opportunity of higher education. Bob Stuart, the writer of the Maine College Advisor Weekly, is a nationally known college consultant and Maine resident.   

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